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for the environment. there's no question about that. fortunately in russia they don't have an environment. at least they have frequently behaviored as though they didn't have an environment. and certainly the oil industry has never meant particular -- been particularly concerned about the environment. i remember in the 1990s talking to the minister of the environmental science. he happened to be briefly also the ministry of agreology. i met him in the huge office. there were maps that showed radio active tam contamination. he was interesting. and id asked him about the environment. he said we don't have one. we can't afford one. it was very much the story of the 1990s. the signature of the russian hydrocarbon industry is very brief. it's absolutely conventional up to this point. and their investment in renewable and unconventionals is at this point. [inaudible] with one big exception in the nuclear power. they consider that to be a virtuous renewable. as for solar, well, the agency in charge of solar-power development is coordinated to
for the environment. there's no question about that. fortunately in russia they don't have an environment. at least they have frequently behaviored as though they didn't have an environment. and certainly the oil industry has never meant particular -- been particularly concerned about the environment. i remember in the 1990s talking to the minister of the environmental science. he happened to be briefly also the ministry of agreology. i met him in the huge office. there were maps that showed...
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one is fair use in the academic environment. as some of you know, three of our member publishers sued georgia state university because when georgia state moved its from printed course packs as materials for higher education courses to e-reserves, they made another change. they stopped paying a penny for anything put up on e-reserves no matter how, how long it was. and since 2006 not a penny has been paid. and because georgia state was, in the view of publishers, an outlier in that respect because we have understood and we think many people have understood that copyright is agnostic or same rules would apply whether we're talking print or digital, that's what led to this particular litigation. and i would say that there this -- we know there's all this vagueness and difficult any the deciding what is fair use. and you can run through four factors, but the bottom line, this is hard to figure out in many cases. but some cases are clearer than others. in the cases where large amounts of material are being used semester after semeste
one is fair use in the academic environment. as some of you know, three of our member publishers sued georgia state university because when georgia state moved its from printed course packs as materials for higher education courses to e-reserves, they made another change. they stopped paying a penny for anything put up on e-reserves no matter how, how long it was. and since 2006 not a penny has been paid. and because georgia state was, in the view of publishers, an outlier in that respect...
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the environment is going to still be very dangerous. but what we've seen is that afghan soldiers are stepping up at great risk to themselves. and that allows us then to make this transition during the spring. what that translates into precisely in terms of how this drawdown of u.s. troops proceeds is something that isn't yet fully determined. i'm going to be over the coming weeks getting recommendations from general allen and other commanders on the ground. they will be designing and shaping a responsible plan to make sure that we're not losing the gains that have already been made, to make sure that we're in a position to support afghan units when they're in theater. and to make sure that our folks are also protected even as we're drawing down. so i can't give you a precise number at this point. i'll probably make a separate announcement once i've gotten recommendations from the generals and our commanders in terms of what that drawdown might look like. with respect to post 2014, we've got two goals. and our main conversation today was
the environment is going to still be very dangerous. but what we've seen is that afghan soldiers are stepping up at great risk to themselves. and that allows us then to make this transition during the spring. what that translates into precisely in terms of how this drawdown of u.s. troops proceeds is something that isn't yet fully determined. i'm going to be over the coming weeks getting recommendations from general allen and other commanders on the ground. they will be designing and shaping a...
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>> not suing each other but this a very messy policy environment. and i just want to sort of add one thing to this. and i don't know whether troy and i disagree on this. you see this more and more frequently that the administration decides to -- it knows that congress won't do anything, makes policy by official announcement of nonenforcement. so we're going to have our own defacto dream act which congress refuses to enact by administration nonenforcement. that's very clear. you might see the same thing in drug enforcement -- we're not going to enforce it, period because congress won't enact a law to that effect. i find that sort of to go much beyond the ordinary exercise of administrative and executive discretion in law enforcement. it's policy making by nonenforcement which is to my mind a very, very -- in the teeth of congressional statutes to the contrary, there are real policy difficulties with that, but there are also real constitution problems with that. it's just sort of much more sign-off dysfunction. >> if that's the environment we're to ta
>> not suing each other but this a very messy policy environment. and i just want to sort of add one thing to this. and i don't know whether troy and i disagree on this. you see this more and more frequently that the administration decides to -- it knows that congress won't do anything, makes policy by official announcement of nonenforcement. so we're going to have our own defacto dream act which congress refuses to enact by administration nonenforcement. that's very clear. you might see...
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that kind of discussion feels dead on arrival in this political environment where we can't get something like a basic budget done. >> the problem is we're going to have to do some of this, anyway. anyone who owns a home knows this. if you defer maintenance, if you say to yourself, my boiler is leaking but i'm not going to fix it, that's actually a penny wise, pound-foolish decision. it will eventually break and cost you three times as much. that's what's happening with our roads, bridges and highways. if you look at air travel. we have one of the world's most antiquated travel systems, we need to update the antiquated computer system. one day you're going to have terrible problems or you're going to have a kind of the system will break down, it's not going to cost $25 billion. it will cost $50 billion. >> there's another thing we don't talk about enough. we're talking about spending as if there's this generally irresponsible spending around. some of that might be true. the bigger issue is nilements, the growth in what those are going to cost us over time. that's the real threat. it's the
that kind of discussion feels dead on arrival in this political environment where we can't get something like a basic budget done. >> the problem is we're going to have to do some of this, anyway. anyone who owns a home knows this. if you defer maintenance, if you say to yourself, my boiler is leaking but i'm not going to fix it, that's actually a penny wise, pound-foolish decision. it will eventually break and cost you three times as much. that's what's happening with our roads, bridges...
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a no-fly zone is a step toward a military environment, but not a full military environment. what would be your answer to that question? >> well, frankly, i think that coming in, this is, some of what, of the calculation that went into the intervention in libya was that if we intervene in libya we will have to intervene in syria because we've already done this. that's a little bit too flip, but that's one -- but personally i'd, you know, if i were in a position, i would be in favor of a no-fly zone. i think that -- so would the turks. they're saying you are repeating history over and over again. what i think is problematic is, a certain caliber weapons to opposition which we don't know exactly who they are. repeating a bad precedent. you don't want those weapons to fall into the wrong hands. what's happened to the 20,000 surface-to-air missiles that were supposedly in gadhafi -- all other answer to that, but yeah, i mean, i would think that if you're going to follow that rationale, ultimately that would make sense. safe havens. >> i would like to ask you if you give detail --
a no-fly zone is a step toward a military environment, but not a full military environment. what would be your answer to that question? >> well, frankly, i think that coming in, this is, some of what, of the calculation that went into the intervention in libya was that if we intervene in libya we will have to intervene in syria because we've already done this. that's a little bit too flip, but that's one -- but personally i'd, you know, if i were in a position, i would be in favor of a...
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the easy thing to do is polarized the environment. >> let me jump in. in order to come up with the numbers, some of my democratic colleagues have talked about -- talked about when president bush took office, everything was perfect, but i heard that there was quite a recession going in 2000, 2001. we were tarred and feathered as sticking up for the rich guy, but the problem is that rich guys own all the businesses. if you destroy them by overtaxing, you had no jobs. what we saw was the first of all, the gdp jumped, but we did it by cutting small businesses and investors. we went from of employing a lot of people to jobs being created. last of all, the government revenues choked up -- when we cut the taxes. and not understand how you may get grow with taxes. >> i would love to respond, but i see the light. >> a say this with fondness, mr. sharon. you have become an aids essential party. you have amnesia about the past and how we got to this place. and you do not want us to invest in the future. the we're stuck in the here and now, i do nothing to we are.
the easy thing to do is polarized the environment. >> let me jump in. in order to come up with the numbers, some of my democratic colleagues have talked about -- talked about when president bush took office, everything was perfect, but i heard that there was quite a recession going in 2000, 2001. we were tarred and feathered as sticking up for the rich guy, but the problem is that rich guys own all the businesses. if you destroy them by overtaxing, you had no jobs. what we saw was the...
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in this environment, subsidizing wind and solar makes no sense. also five years ago, we thought that china and india, and other emerging economies, my sign-on to emissions reductions, and, therefore, that if we reduced emissions, perhaps global temperatures would be reduced. and i don't think it does but i don't tak take a position on whr mandated emissions caused global warming or not, but if we are reducing our emissions and china and india, which make up 37% of the worlds population, are not doing so, when i pointed any affect on the global temperatures. and then the first chapter of the book i talk about geoengineering solutions, that nobel prize-winning weiner thinks we can reduce global temperature if we just do it on our own. painting russ whitehurst like the sun's rays. what we are doing with a 12 and dollars were spent on alternative energy is pushing people into cars that they don't want to buy, we are raising electricity costs. we are -- we're getting rid of incandescent lightbulbs in favor of fluorescent lightbulbs. and the cost of thi
in this environment, subsidizing wind and solar makes no sense. also five years ago, we thought that china and india, and other emerging economies, my sign-on to emissions reductions, and, therefore, that if we reduced emissions, perhaps global temperatures would be reduced. and i don't think it does but i don't tak take a position on whr mandated emissions caused global warming or not, but if we are reducing our emissions and china and india, which make up 37% of the worlds population, are not...
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we don't have that environment anymore. maybe that is good for the sunshine law but with intense media scrutiny and day-to-day negotiations it is tougher to get the deal done. i would like for them to go to camp david for one week. lori: with a chance to get spending cuts? will republicans have any leverage? >> there is opportunity to have responsible conversation. lori: that anything done? >> it is possible. the budget that was criticized the president has proposed drastic spending cuts and froze discretionary spending over five years n what democrats would be happy about what would follow if there was a deal. it is maybe a little less likely than one year ago but it is possible. lori: meno bernanke will leave at the end of the term. how will that unfolds? >> now -- now they say tim geithner will go to the head of the federal reserve. [laughter] i think he has had his do but it is a close relationship. it is with the entire board and not just the chairman. on lot of people have known them for a long time. lori: who will ha
we don't have that environment anymore. maybe that is good for the sunshine law but with intense media scrutiny and day-to-day negotiations it is tougher to get the deal done. i would like for them to go to camp david for one week. lori: with a chance to get spending cuts? will republicans have any leverage? >> there is opportunity to have responsible conversation. lori: that anything done? >> it is possible. the budget that was criticized the president has proposed drastic spending...
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. >> and our response to that s we have no problem with the protection of the environment and wettelands but if it is a public good the entire public should have to pay for it. you shouldn't force one property owner to bear the entire burden of playing for that. >> shannon: to get the permit that he wants to fix the land. do you you feel like you you have is taken on something that is a bigger fight for all americans, all landowners. >> definitely. this affects, of course, not only us and we are in the final stages but it affects any one in the state of florida who owns property. and as far as that goes in this country who owns property because if you assuming that we do come through this successfully it will at least hopefully stop this flood of government regulation and taking land. >> shannon: at this point do you feel like it is a fair fight, the individual land own oar versus the government? do you feel like there is a balance of powethere or not? >> if i had warren buffett's money it would be fair. there are two aspects. number one the financial and number two the time. many people
. >> and our response to that s we have no problem with the protection of the environment and wettelands but if it is a public good the entire public should have to pay for it. you shouldn't force one property owner to bear the entire burden of playing for that. >> shannon: to get the permit that he wants to fix the land. do you you feel like you you have is taken on something that is a bigger fight for all americans, all landowners. >> definitely. this affects, of course, not...
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it is within this environment we developed our counter-terrorism network. our national security strategy is clear. the goal is to disrupt, dismantle, and the al qaeda and its allies. in june, we released the u.s. counterterrorism strategy. this strategy is just one part of president obama's larger national security strategy. our counterterrorism policies to not define our foreign policy. rather, their violin reenforcing elements of our broader national security interest. it is essential to keeping americans secure. one of the key objectives of our strategy is to deprive -- the private terrace of their enabling means, particularly their finances. our strategy sets out to expand and enhance efforts to block the flow of financial resources to and among terrorist groups and to disrupt terrorist facilitation and support activities, imposing sanctions or pursuing prosecution to enforce a violation and dissuade others. our efforts include a wide range of activities to provide -- collectively, are activities seek to use all elements of national power to sever terro
it is within this environment we developed our counter-terrorism network. our national security strategy is clear. the goal is to disrupt, dismantle, and the al qaeda and its allies. in june, we released the u.s. counterterrorism strategy. this strategy is just one part of president obama's larger national security strategy. our counterterrorism policies to not define our foreign policy. rather, their violin reenforcing elements of our broader national security interest. it is essential to...
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well, joining me now is coral davenport, energy and environment correspondent for the national journal. good to see you again. just how hot was it last year? >> alex, the average annual temperature in the u.s. last year was 55.3 degrees. that was about -- that was a degree higher than the last previous record. it was 3.2 degrees higher than the average record -- than the average temperature for the 20th century. another way to think about the temperatures that we saw last year, between 2011 and 2012 we had 16 months in a row that had higher than normal temperatures. the u.s. has never seen a stretch like that since the u.s. government began keeping temperature records in 1895. so that's another way to think about it. it was hot. >> there's definite perspective there. but why's it happening? >> at this point the evidence is pretty clear. it's happening for two reasons. one is cyclical weather patterns obviously contribute to temperature changes. and the other reason is the increase of fossil fuel emissions in the atmosphere. scientists say at this point the evidence is clear, compelling
well, joining me now is coral davenport, energy and environment correspondent for the national journal. good to see you again. just how hot was it last year? >> alex, the average annual temperature in the u.s. last year was 55.3 degrees. that was about -- that was a degree higher than the last previous record. it was 3.2 degrees higher than the average record -- than the average temperature for the 20th century. another way to think about the temperatures that we saw last year, between...
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what sort of environment are we looking at in terms of what assad might do next? >> it is extremely chaotic and unpredictable. because of the internationalization, much has been said this is part of war. with the money coming into it and the weapons, money from the gulf country to the rebels. it is a regional conflict. the fighting is taking place and has regional complications. >> chemical weapons. i believe his statement is he said earlier he is alluding to the chemical weapons and said it could involve u.s. troops saying you have to keep the possibility that if there is a peaceful transition and international organizations get involved that they might ask for assistance in that situation. so defense secretary paneta discussing troops and the weapons. >> for u.s. and israel, they hinted at the fact that they would use force if they needed to ensure them is it falling into the hands of people that could be dangerous. dictators use chemical weapons. in a moment of desperation if this regime feels its back is against the wall and time is running out it may resort t
what sort of environment are we looking at in terms of what assad might do next? >> it is extremely chaotic and unpredictable. because of the internationalization, much has been said this is part of war. with the money coming into it and the weapons, money from the gulf country to the rebels. it is a regional conflict. the fighting is taking place and has regional complications. >> chemical weapons. i believe his statement is he said earlier he is alluding to the chemical weapons...
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can the case be made for all women in a college environment? you have been the president of such a school. >> one of the things people think is a single sex school is all women. we have some male professors. the tilt is female, but we have male professors. they are not sitting in a convent. you have other school that are close by. so, none of these children or young people are being koiserred. it's an important point to make. a lot of them think they are going to be. however, i think there are lots of benefits. there are some disadvantages. there are 4,000 plus colleges in the united states. 4,000. you have clernlg colleges for african-american. 45 women's colleges. you have one founded for jewish people, why not variety? i didn't go to a single sex school. a lot of women who are achievers didn't. some want to make that choice. they want to learn and be focused. they want to have the opportunity to learn without the distraction of young men in the room and they are being prepared to go into a world with all the tools that make them unintimidate
can the case be made for all women in a college environment? you have been the president of such a school. >> one of the things people think is a single sex school is all women. we have some male professors. the tilt is female, but we have male professors. they are not sitting in a convent. you have other school that are close by. so, none of these children or young people are being koiserred. it's an important point to make. a lot of them think they are going to be. however, i think...
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. >> now, a number of politicians, current and former, have joined forces to create a partisan-free environment, and called "no labels" they are pledged to a simple obligation, stop fight ing and start fixing. will the compromise and chances for success be for no label? we are joined by former presidential candidate jon huntsman and congressman joe manchin next. bacon? -oh! -oh! oh! [ female announcer ] with 40 delicious progresso soups at 100 calories or less, there are plenty of reasons people are saying "progress-oh!" share your story for a chance to win a progress-oh! makeover in hollywood. go to facebook.com/progresso to enter. >>> with me now, senator joe manchin, democrat from west virginia and former presidential candidate and former utah governor jon huntsman, thank you for being here and joining forces here. i have to say when i was reading about this, and said, okay, goals to argue less and act more, and i'm thinking, yeah, but how do you go about that, particularly from the outside? why is an outside group needed? >> well, let me say from no labels' standpoint when i was a senator t
. >> now, a number of politicians, current and former, have joined forces to create a partisan-free environment, and called "no labels" they are pledged to a simple obligation, stop fight ing and start fixing. will the compromise and chances for success be for no label? we are joined by former presidential candidate jon huntsman and congressman joe manchin next. bacon? -oh! -oh! oh! [ female announcer ] with 40 delicious progresso soups at 100 calories or less, there are plenty...
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100,000 or no, you've got to have kind of misplaced priorities to even entertain mething like this in an environment like this. i mean, the whole capital system is burning that they've got control over, and they're doing something goofy like this. >> well, it was the national endowment from the arts, just in case everybody's wondering, that's who's behind this. collected the taxpayer money together and sat down and thought about how should we pirg out how to bestow this upon, you know, worthy folks -- neil: it's clearly aimed at the young. >> oh, yeah. i guess, they want to insure that it's a built-in base of supporters going forward. neil: but the idea being you need more money to fix this problem with money you say we don't have. >> right. we're absolutely broke, but we're going to train kids that they should be battling big oil more than anything else. before you learn how to do math, before you learn how to read, before you learn how to balance your own checkbook, before you learn how to balance the country's checkbook -- which, i admit, is near hi impossible at this -- nearly impossible at this
100,000 or no, you've got to have kind of misplaced priorities to even entertain mething like this in an environment like this. i mean, the whole capital system is burning that they've got control over, and they're doing something goofy like this. >> well, it was the national endowment from the arts, just in case everybody's wondering, that's who's behind this. collected the taxpayer money together and sat down and thought about how should we pirg out how to bestow this upon, you know,...
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. >> reporter: some conservative christians say the focus shouldn't be on guns but the environment giving rise to this violence. >> instead of having, as the nra proposes, a policeman in every school, our policy should be focused on getting a dad in every home. >> reporter: vice president biden said friday he is glad evangelical groups have participated in his gun policy task force meetings because in the past, they have been "reluctant to engage in the gun issue." athena jones, cnn, washington. >> you can see more about this story on our belief log at cnn.com/belief. >>> a maintenance shed in new york city's central park turned up a shocking discovery, a loaded cannon from an old british warship dating you to the revolutionary war. it's been sitting around for centuries. workers were cleaning the rust when they found the cannon still had gunpowder and a cannon ball. a spark or a flame could have set it off. >> this is an amazing surprise. it was there for so many years and people were sitting on it when it was a loaded cannon. >> technicians removed about two pounds of black powder and t
. >> reporter: some conservative christians say the focus shouldn't be on guns but the environment giving rise to this violence. >> instead of having, as the nra proposes, a policeman in every school, our policy should be focused on getting a dad in every home. >> reporter: vice president biden said friday he is glad evangelical groups have participated in his gun policy task force meetings because in the past, they have been "reluctant to engage in the gun issue."...
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he had just entered the rangers at 2001 so his entire career his service had been in that environment. he had a wife and i think two children. he is representative of the force. and if you think not just to the service member but of the wife. the spousal husband whos ever back with the children with repetitive years gone, repetitive stresses and strains. they're an extraordinarily professional force. to my knowledge this is the first time we fought a lengthy war with a completely professional force. we don't really know the long term impact. it's held together well but there are a lot of disturbing numbers like suicides which worries me a lot. >> schieffer: it seems to me that we are asking a military to do more than it is designed to do. and people are talking about reducing the size of the military but it seems to me if we're going to ask the same of the military that we're asking now, we actually need a larger military. and i don't think that's going to happen. >> well, i would take it in a slightly different direction. we are asking the same military but i'm not sure it's a milita
he had just entered the rangers at 2001 so his entire career his service had been in that environment. he had a wife and i think two children. he is representative of the force. and if you think not just to the service member but of the wife. the spousal husband whos ever back with the children with repetitive years gone, repetitive stresses and strains. they're an extraordinarily professional force. to my knowledge this is the first time we fought a lengthy war with a completely professional...
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[video clip] >> we are all products of our experience and environment. i have been tempered by the experience about war. what war means, the consequences, who has to fight it. all of that experience is part of me and how i look at policy, how i look at our foreign policy and military policy, how i judge consequences, how the world sees us, their trust in our purpose in power. no question much of the questioning i have done about iraq and was tempered by the experience in vietnam. whenever i will ever do in my life -- whatever i will do in my life, those experiences shaped me, just like anyone who has gone through war. those experiences shape you very much. it makes you less inclined to jump into war. it is easy to get into war, not very easy to get out, as evidenced by the johnson tapes. you need to think through these things. diplomacy is critically important, especially in the complicated world we live in today. i think something else is important here and a lesson we learned from vietnam. what is going to be very important for america is not to isolat
[video clip] >> we are all products of our experience and environment. i have been tempered by the experience about war. what war means, the consequences, who has to fight it. all of that experience is part of me and how i look at policy, how i look at our foreign policy and military policy, how i judge consequences, how the world sees us, their trust in our purpose in power. no question much of the questioning i have done about iraq and was tempered by the experience in vietnam. whenever...
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. >> now, a number of politicians, current and former, have joined forces to create a partisan-free environment, and called "no labels" they are pledged to a simple proposition, stop fighting and start fixing. we'll discuss compromise and the chances for success with the no labels chairman, democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia and former republican governor of utah jon huntsman, next. she wants. now you can with new stayfree ultra thins. flexible layers move with your body, while thermocontrol wicks moisture away. keep moving. new stayfree. or treat gas with these after you get it. now that's like sunblock before or sun burn cream later. oh, somebody out there's saying, now i get it! take beano before and there'll be no gas. >>> with me now, senator joe manchin, democrat from west virginia and former presidential candidate and former utah governor jon huntsman, thank you both for being here, joining forces here. i have to say when i was reading about this, and said, okay, goals to argue less and act more, and i'm thinking, yeah, but how do you go about that, particularly from the out
. >> now, a number of politicians, current and former, have joined forces to create a partisan-free environment, and called "no labels" they are pledged to a simple proposition, stop fighting and start fixing. we'll discuss compromise and the chances for success with the no labels chairman, democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia and former republican governor of utah jon huntsman, next. she wants. now you can with new stayfree ultra thins. flexible layers move with your...
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. >> reporter: still, some conservative christians say the focus shouldn't be on guns, but on the environment giving rise to this violence. >> instead of having as the nra proposes a policeman in every school. getting a dad in every home. >> reporter: vice president biden said he's glad that evangelical groups participated in his meetings because in the past, they have been reluctant to engage on the gun issue." athena jones, cnn, washington. >>> time for a little introduction. i want you to take a look here. this is my cat, browser. he's at home right now watching the show, no doubt. but he's pretty cute and cuddly. i spoil him rotten, but could he be plotting something sinister? could he be plotting to kill me? doesn't look like it there. we'll talk about it next with the author of "how to tell if your cat is trying to kill you." about health care... s i tuned it all out. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to give me a hear
. >> reporter: still, some conservative christians say the focus shouldn't be on guns, but on the environment giving rise to this violence. >> instead of having as the nra proposes a policeman in every school. getting a dad in every home. >> reporter: vice president biden said he's glad that evangelical groups participated in his meetings because in the past, they have been reluctant to engage on the gun issue." athena jones, cnn, washington. >>> time for a...
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>> i think that schools are structured environment and frankly, little girl's behavior, a willingness to sit still, pay attention, not necessarily to talk and get up and run around the room is more conducive to a classroom setting. what we've done, trying to turn little boys into different forms of little girls and a lot has to do with the way that schools are structured. you take a six-year-old and sit him in a chair and expect that they're going to stay there. it isn't natural, frankly, it isn't natural for a lot of little girls, it's more for the convenience of teachers than it is accommodating to the child's needs. >> that's truly right. little boys are savages, i don't mean that in-- it's just true. >> we can't change it, but thr he' lovable and grow up to warm, wonderful human beings when they get a little older. >> tucker: amen. on that hopeful note. coming up, get an instant mood boost from botox. true, that story coming up and women all around put it on every day, but one woman gave herself a no makeup challenge for a year, claims it made her more beautiful. is this a good le
>> i think that schools are structured environment and frankly, little girl's behavior, a willingness to sit still, pay attention, not necessarily to talk and get up and run around the room is more conducive to a classroom setting. what we've done, trying to turn little boys into different forms of little girls and a lot has to do with the way that schools are structured. you take a six-year-old and sit him in a chair and expect that they're going to stay there. it isn't natural, frankly,...